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As I said on Daniel's post, if a sports team wins 20% of its games, its still a sports team - its just not widely considered a good one. Just because a community isn't living up to the high standards that we've set for collaboration and interaction, I don't think it makes them any less of a community. It just makes them different. Maybe there's room for improvement, but we should still respect that they're a community in their own right. I think you hit on this in your point about Cuba. I think it's an important point to remember in this discussion. My two cents.